Idea for the Next Game

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    I think a full game as Baranor wouldn’t be the best as I think the style they’ve made for the DoM is a good length campaign but a full game length campaign would be horrible. Could you imagine getting to the last mission and dying, I think I’d just rage quit and never pick up the game again personally. This might just be me but personally I see this as a huge flaw for having a full game based on a mortal character.
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    I think a full game as Baranor wouldn’t be the best as I think the style they’ve made for the DoM is a good length campaign but a full game length campaign would be horrible. Could you imagine getting to the last mission and dying, I think I’d just rage quit and never pick up the game again personally. This might just be me but personally I see this as a huge flaw for having a full game based on a mortal character.

    Well, I had another idea that I believe could make it work. 

     

    A challenge I occassionally did for myself while playing Shadow of Mordor was running a campaign that treated each skin as a seperate character, and if I died, never using that "character" again. 

     

    Perhaps something similar could be done here. Having multiple characters at your disposal, who can carry on if your character dies. Theoretically, anyone could pick up Baranor's gauntlet and use it themselves.

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    The protagonist needs some kind of domination ability, for the nemesis siste to work, 

    mercenaries won't betray or join Sauron or have blood brother

     

    Baranor's weapons and tools are cool but  he can't dominate or resurrect after dieing

    Eltariel has the new ring which can be used to dominate and the light of galadriel or haedir to resurrect and the light can add new gamplay mechanics. And she has motivation to stay in Mordor, Baranor has no motivation or at least not as strng as Eltariel's.

     

    It's the same with a nomal human a gondorian soldier, he needs some ability to dominate.

     

    Anyway I lik the idea of different characters or totally diferent skilltrees for the same character.

     

    Playing as Baranor and Eltariel was really fun indeed, with the super light, dual blades, fast bow shot, the shield, the crossbow, mercenaries.etc

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    The protagonist needs some kind of domination ability, for the nemesis siste to work, 

    mercenaries won't betray or join Sauron or have blood brother

     

    Baranor's weapons and tools are cool but  he can't dominate or resurrect after dieing

    Eltariel has the new ring which can be used to dominate and the light of galadriel or haedir to resurrect and the light can add new gamplay mechanics. And she has motivation to stay in Mordor, Baranor has no motivation or at least not as strng as Eltariel's.

     

    It's the same with a nomal human a gondorian soldier, he needs some ability to dominate.

     

    Anyway I lik the idea of different characters or totally diferent skilltrees for the same character.

     

    Playing as Baranor and Eltariel was really fun indeed, with the super light, dual blades, fast bow shot, the shield, the crossbow, mercenaries.etc


    The next game could easily update the system so that humans could betray you or otherwise serve as enemies. I imagine it as doing for the people of Middle Earth what this game did for the orcs. (I don't imagine the Vanishing Sons would be the only human "tribe" this time around.) Remember that Sauron did indeed have human allies. 

     

    Pretty much everything that could be done in Mordor has been done. If the next game wants to be an upgrade, it'll have to go outside. (Of course, Mordor would still be a part of the game, it just would not be limited to Mordor.)

     

    I do not believe Eltariel will be the protagonist in the next game. I actually expect her to be a villain. It's pretty obvious Celebrimbor will be the next Big Bad, and those claims his ring is "pure" are BS. I'm pretty sure she's being corrupted and will become his right hand man.. er, woman. My imagined Elf protagonist would not be her, but someone else who does not possess a ring. (Perhaps Galadriel would choose a new Blade after Eltariel went against what she wanted.)

     

    That said, remember that one of the Protagonists I envisioned is indeed a second gravewalker, who would have the abilites Talion did. So there will still be dominating for those who want it.

     

    To add more clarification, I imagine the whole multiple characters thing as having a "another side, another story" type deal. The new Gravewalker would be residing in mordor doing his thing, while the people of Middle Earth, like my envisioned Gondorian and Elf, fight their own battles.

     

    Ambitous, but I think it could be done.

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    I don't think that they'll introduce us to a new main character in the next game, and I seriously doubt that there will be multiple characters to choose from. Eltariel is obviously gonna be the next main character we play as. And a "second Gravewalker" would be underwhelming.
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    I don't think that they'll introduce us to a new main character in the next game, and I seriously doubt that there will be multiple characters to choose from. Eltariel is obviously gonna be the next main character we play as. And a "second Gravewalker" would be underwhelming.

    I doubt Eltariel will be the main character. Part of the problem is that she is morally opposed to dominating, so it would cause some issues if she suddenly changed her mind. Her changing her mind would likely come off as a "slipping into evil" type of thing. (Although, the idea of being able to convince enemies to switch sides on their own would be a good idea.)

     

    However, even if my multiple playable characters idea wouldn't work for a main campaign (I do acknowledge that it could be difficult, especially if permadeath is a thing), I still think it would be a good idea to have a "conquest mode" that allows for it. 

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    Yes, humans , elves, dwarves can be added to nemesis sistem and they can betray etc, good idea

    anyay, Eltariel changed her mind abut domination at the end of the dlc, as Talion becomes Nazgul and she decides to stay in Mordor and she has the new ring equipped. she is he best option for main character

     

    multiple characters wouldn't work for a story campaign, maybe different skilltrees, if Eltariel refuses to dominate, we can upgrade light or other skills

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    If there's a third game in the works how about we play as both Talion and Celebrimbor again but not have them be together?  Have them oppose each other and have several run-ins across several areas of Middle-earth rather than just Mordor.  But still play as both of them at different times fulfilling their own plans and ruining each others.

     

    Celebrimbor is shown still alive and well floating around Mordor after Sauron is beaten for the last time.  Talion is no longer part of the physical world but he is alive and well in that "Heaven".  So all Monolith would have to do is introduce a new character with necromantic capabilities or have an existing character be shown to adopt them at some point in between 2nd and 3 games.  I say necromantic because that's the only way I can think of that he'd be able to have a physical body again since he isn't a wraith.  That and he wouldn't want to come back anyway.  With necromancy he wouldn't have a choice.

     

    Celebrimbor can have his ring back because he did create it so it's only proper that he regain his property.  But that ring can also be his downfall since he put so much of his power into it.  Talion can get ahold of the ring around the end and break it somehow.  Now I wouldn't want to see him destroyed permanently because he does have a family and though he's shown to have been far too ambitious even before becoming a wraith, the family would still probably like to see him again.

     

    But what if say midway through the course of their conflict across Middle-earth the events of J.R.R. Tolkien's book that he never got to finish were to take place.  The book where Morgoth breaks free from his prison and creates all sorts of havoc.  Talion and Celebrimbor would again be forced to unite and destroy Morgoth for the second half of the game and then have one final battle to determine whether Celebrimbor brings down the hammer upon the world and rules forever or if Talion shatters that hammer and banishes him.  I don't believe this battle would be nearly as impressive as the one with Morgoth but it'd be necessary.  Maybe the player can be given a choice to decide who wins/loses because some of the playerbase does prefer Celebrimbor and the game developers would likely have him lose if they don't present a choice to players.

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    I would lvoe a system where hiring mercenareis was a game mechanic in addition to dominating rocs. only thing for certain is you need to be able to dominate orcs and the nemesis system needs to stay intact. Those are the only must haves for me. Personally when you say mercenaries why are they all humans? Can't we have humans, elves, dwarves and other beings to be mercenaries? Only pet peeve I had with the mercenaries. 

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    I would lvoe a system where hiring mercenareis was a game mechanic in addition to dominating rocs. only thing for certain is you need to be able to dominate orcs and the nemesis system needs to stay intact. Those are the only must haves for me. Personally when you say mercenaries why are they all humans? Can't we have humans, elves, dwarves and other beings to be mercenaries? Only pet peeve I had with the mercenaries. 


    Pretty sure the Mercenary system would be updated to feature more races than just humans. Dwarves and Elves are very likely. I also anticipate human factions aside from the Vanishing Suns. Gondorians and Rohirrims are pretty likely too.

     

     

    No! Talion has gone through enough already! Let the poor guy die in peace!!!

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    But he's not dead. He was walking around alive and well in that ending after Shadow Wars. Doesn't matter that it wasn't in the physical world.
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    But he's not dead. He was walking around alive and well in that ending after Shadow Wars. Doesn't matter that it wasn't in the physical world.

    That was the AFTERLIFE he was walking into. He's finally dead after a long and painful life separated from his family. Let him finally have the rest he deserves.

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    Not possible to be dead and conscious at the same time though. So he wasn't dead.
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    "Death came. Death to Sauron. Death to his dominion. And DEATH to TALION. "

    He's dead, dude.
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    His physical body is dead. He is not.
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