Seriously ? Still no Celebrimbor?

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    WB Gamer

    Well, not all the skins were revealed, so... you might get your Celebrimbor skin.

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    WB Gamer
    Wait, nvm, I just remembered that they said that the other skin is included in the DLC. It wouldn't make sense for a Celebrimbor skin to be included in a Baranor DLC. Maybe in a future update.
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    WB Gamer
    The only way I see that other skin being celebrimbor is if you gotta do all the new shadows of the past to get him, and if so that’s kinda cruel to make you pay for dlc and work for it when it’s already kinda in the game.
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    WB Gamer

    I'm sure they will add Cele skin later, many people asked for it

    but there is no official info yet

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    WB Gamer
    I just don’t see why so much later, like if it’s a trade off between their time and where they put it that dictates what got in this update I know I would rather not have this overlord bodyguard thing in exchange for a celebrimbor skin.
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    WB Gamer
    First of all that's not how development works. Second, you are not alone. I personally don't care much for skins at all but new gameplay features are welcome. In fact, you could argue they are much needed in the end-game. As fun as killing Captains and messing around with the nemesis system is, it's the only thing you have left to do.
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    WB Gamer

    Gameplay features over skins any day for me.

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    WB Gamer
    What pizza amnd stranger said! 🙂
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    WB Gamer
    I mean I’m not saying I don’t want the overlords to have bodyguards or whatever but how many people ask for the celebrimbor skin over how many asked for bodyguards on overlords? It’s probably incomparable and they keep saying they know it’s in such high demand and requested a thousand times over and it was in Mordor and it’s technically already in the game. I just can’t fathom why things are created like new difficulties or features or photo mode updates when this is something I’ve been expecting since day 1, not really trying to hate on the devs but it’s 8 month later and I really expected skins on launch because they were in Mordor and everyone loved them.
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    WB Gamer
    Skins are somewhat irrelevant if the game itself isnt deep enough. I've seen just as much discussion over difficulty settings as i have about a celebrimbor skin. The fortress assaults and defences are a massive element of the game and I've seen just as mich discussion on the the structure of those missions as i have of a skin.
    Also, as someone said elsewhere, i believe it was , there is a distinction to be made as ti whether it is a "skin" being discussed, or a character/model swap. The latter considerably more complicated and requiring a fair bit of work. From what i have seen, many wouldn't be happy with just a skin, they want the whole job.
    From a totally personal perspective, I've spent crazy time messing with photo mode. When playing i get distracted by something and theres half an hour tinkering with a shot instead of what i was originally doing. For me, additions that photo mode are very much appreciated. Far more than any skins.
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    WB Gamer
    I think difficulty is actually the most discussed thing in the game, even being extensively discussed before release.
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    WB Gamer
    I would imagine its the hardest thing to get right.
    How many want it harder?
    How many liked it as was?
    How do we make it harder?
    How do we not make it too hard?
    Lots of balancing to do there and personally, im quite impressed that they are still trying to get it right for as many fans as possible by releasing yet another difficulty setting post release. Good community interaction there!
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    WB Gamer
    All I’m saying is, that it just can’t be too hard to add in the simple skin itself of young celebrimbor as an option when it’s already playable in the game, he uses all of Talions moves and the same wraith. The only issue I see with adding in celebrimbors skin in how does ringwraith affect him? Does Talions wraith intefere with his skin? Things like that but still I just imagine as to why it wasn’t added as a thing when BoG came out. I know people would be upset because it’s not this sort of character swap we want as well, but that can come later, I just wish the skin was here like of course we want both.
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    WB Gamer
    And they may add one or both later. But right now, as far as they are concerned, along with many of the community, theres more important stuff to do.
    Its never going to be simple adding a fully functional skin, ie, a skin that slots over talion and doesnt interfere with mechanics. Its a fully animated model. Its not going to be a simple case of lift assets from here and drop them there.
    And then there is the point, as mentioned, that not everyone requesting celebrimbor, simply wants a skin, rather, the entIre "character", which itself is major work. This dlc was planned well in advance of requests for celebrimbor to return, so the logical answer is, if it is coming, it will come after the stuff they are already doing. Theres been some good free stuff, responding to specific requests, aswell as planned dlc. They cant do everything at once. We will just need patience.
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    WB Gamer

    Hi guys!

     

    So stoked to see this thread has gotten a decent number of responses, I totally respect what everyone is saying here, I understand that skins/character models dont add a whole lot of replay value for some users but I have stepped away from the game for months now hoping this would be released and I would have a reason to come back. Personally I am so surprised it hasnt been released already, as many people have mentioned it is already in the game, I understand that there may be additional work that needs to be done rather than just dragging and dropping assets but given what they were able to do with Eltariel in the main game I have to believe that doing the same with Celebrimbor has got to be just as easy if not easier given that he and talion share the same moveset. Anyway, just my 2 cents. I would be bummed if this is something that comes out 3 months from now because by then Ill be so deep into God of war 4 and Skyrim VR I dont think i'd even bother coming back...

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    WB Gamer

    Skins do add replay value for me.

     

    Anyway, there is no official info yet, but many players have been asking for this since release, so, I think they will add Cele eventually, but maybe it take more than 3 months. Patience.

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    WB Gamer
    I don’t want to come across as ungrateful or anything but at the end of the day, getting this skin, at any point in time after May 8th is just honestly a ridiculously long wait for a skin, that they should’ve got out with BoG. Because now if it comes out in June or maybe not even that if they add the character swap and maybe they don’t even do that. If they keep putting these features off and off until they come out in like August or later, I can’t honestly say that I’ll still be playing the game or that this will bring me back for a fair bit of time, I know that’s not their goal, to keep everyone playing the game as long as possible, they want to add more so more people buy the game and such. But I would just have really seriously appreciated it if these things they’ve acknowledged as some of the most highly requested features were added sooner rather than later. Just as much as one can say photo mode updates are just as much/more important than a skin, I say to you that the skin adds a whole other character to be used anywhere in photo mode to create cool shots that weren’t available before. Besides, as the only other “skin” in the game at launch as well as the dark talion that was made into a skin, it forever baffles me that they didn’t just get it out of the way.
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    WB Gamer
    You think it should have come with BoG. You think its a ridiculous wait. You don't necessarily appreciate photo mode as much as others. This is the point. Its an opinion. A valid opinion in some respects, but an opinion nether the less. Which is why i say For Me, photo mode ...etc.
    In their opinion, its slightly lower in priority.
    They are responding to highly requested features. Just not the one you want right now. Extra gameplay inc endless sieges, overlord pit fights, an extra difficulty setting with another in a couple of days, direct searching for player fortresses, and some skins already. They are responding to requests, to an impressive degree imo, but they cant do everything at once. You seem to think its a case of just flipping a switch and the skin is there, as implied with "they didnt just get it out of the way". They have all but directly said that if they can, they will. As as been pointed out, the assets are essentially already present so, barring major issues, we can be fairly confident it will happen. Just not as quick as some if you would like.
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    WB Gamer
    I get what you’re saying but just look at the amount of Celebrimbor threads, someone had to go and compile all of them together after all! For the most part the general concensus that I saw in those too was “I’ll take a skin, but I want the eleven rage back too”. I’m sorry, I really am, but I have never once seen a thread anything like, “overlord bodyguards” or thought of it myself, or the idea of this brutal difficulty, and photo mode updates, well we’ve come to expect every update, I even use it a lot too, don’t get me wrong, it’s just that there’s already so many options in photo mode. Although I’m sure the photo mode updates don’t take away from things like skins either, I just can’t help feeling like it does for some reason, regardless of it it does or not.

    I know this next update is mainly for the dlc and that’s what they’ve been working on, but why they went through the effort of making that baranor skin, with a new wraith where he wears any of Talions gear is beyond me, because I guarantee that was more work than making celebrimbors skin, whom already uses all of Talions movesets and all. I don’t know why it’s going to take until June or longer for this, and I don’t want to keep repeating myself, but it just really bummed me out when they opened up the skins screen on the stream and there was just two more, for two baranors most likely, because they made the one that we didn’t ask for, and please don’t tell me that putting baranor in all of Talions gear is easier than making celebrimbor playable anytime anywhere in comparison. Also gets me thinking, why aren’t both baranor skins just from the main game and his DoM armor?

    I’m not ungrateful for this new content, it’s just not even what I expected, or thought anyone else expected either after all, I’ll play the game and use all of this new stuff for sure, but I’m still just left upset they couldn’t get it in this update. I’m just mainly upset because I just can’t fathom that it’s harder to make it than that new baranor skin, and if it is, I just wish I knew why, and I never will because they’ll never tell us the back end stuff like that. Believe me though, if they told me that they cut out the new difficulty in comparison for the skin, I’d probably be surprised and a little upset by that too, because I find it hard to believe the two are comparable in terms of work that they would have to wait on one for the other to exist.
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    WB Gamer
    I’m sorry I’m just hung up on one thing in particular, you mention that he isn’t just a reskin of talion and doesn’t use the exact same moves. Could you PLEASE tell me when and what he does different from Talion in his shadows of the past missions, because I cannot for the life of me think of any. The only things different he does that talion never does is at the start of the mission when he pulls out the weapon and does that little animation which I cannot in any way see interfering with much anything else as those are scripted to play at the start of the mission and technically any character could do that too if they were ever prompted to play that animation. He can also use any of Talions skills you have unlocked when you play as him and has nothing else that talion doesn’t already have except for different stats in the way he drains orcs and they disabled the skill on his bow. Like you said, no I don’t know why it seems so difficult to add it into the game, because if I knew I probably wouldn’t be upset by it isn’t in the game, but this is just one of those things you’ll cannot get them to talk about, so I’m just left wondering, why?

    I wish I knew, I really did, especially because it isn’t particularly “new” content, you already get to play as him in every region and he interacts with all objects in the world the same as talion does, just under specific parameters and the world is covered in a light filter instead during these missions. I can only imagine the biggest trouble with adding him in is during act 4 for which both other characters get their own wraith, they don’t even have to do that for him, it would be funny to play as celebrimbor with talion as HIS wraith. I suppose if they want to go above and beyond and make sure he always has his young wraith and and keeps his voice with this skin on then sure I could understand the time their putting into this and why it isn’t out yet, but then that gets into the character swap territory and that’s nice and all, we all want that, but I know we would also like this skin itself to stand on it’s own where it doesn’t have to be locked into elven rage and they turn off raise dead, because that’s no longer a skin.
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    WB Gamer
    You asked a specific question so i will respond. You answered your own question.
    The "character" from the SotP missions is celebrimbor with with the og elvin wrath moves, ie, the one based on the bow, in which he fired the bow like eltariel, in a rapid fire style, with some specific execution moves aswell. Later on in the game, talion doesn't have that form of wrath move. His sword attacks carry different "weight", he doesnt use the bow, he doesnt create multiple "echoes" of himself, he raises the dead, and his orange power bar (name of which escapes right now) fills constantly while the wrath mode is engaged. These two "states" of talion are very different when discussing the wrath mode, aesthetically and functionally speaking. You cant simply lift that version of cele and put him in place of talion. He uses different mechanics. As you say your self, this is character swap territory and that entails skill tree alterations and re organisation, which is what is happening in July apparently. If discussing a skin, it has to sit "ontop" of the existing "talion" and therefore needs to be rebuilt in skin form as opposed to character form.

    Any time you say "no problem except" or "the biggest trouble with", you are answering your own question. Thes are "issues" that would need to be addressed, whether they are "big" issues or small.

    Final point. You mention the animations around sheathing/unsheathing weapons. The characters are of different sizes and builds. I very seriously doubt its simply a case of programming one animation and then telling each character to do it. It has to be tweaked and adjusted to fit each character that is using said animation. Think attaching the puppet strings to the right body part. Unless we are talking a "simple" skin, and that goes back to the assets needing to be "built", and not already existing in game.
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    WB Gamer
    Anyway you could show me these different moves that he performs? As far as I can remember, he does all the same executions as talion and strikes with his sword the same way, if this case I would like to see it. Also at the same time, cele’s wraith, as in the one that is with Talion can perform all the same animations that Talion can with no problem for the most part right? So is putting his young skin in place of talion any different than his old wraith doing these moves if he is of the same build and size in both wraith and non wraith?

    Also you said the way he unsheathes the weapons is something that would need to be tampered with on anyone else, I don’t see how that’s true when everyone else that uses Talions weapons has them in the same slots on his back, maybe they would clip for half a second on some part of their body we can’t even see as it plays the animation but still they have the sword and dagger located in the same place maybe their arms are the problem in that case but even still like with eltariel and now baranors main game skins, they share all their animations with Talion in combat and such and pull them off near perfectly, cele already can do these moves. Eltariel does run and walk differently but point remains they all use most of Talion's animations in combat and traversal just like cele does both as wraith or alive.

    When I say skin I’m talking about the actual character model that displays during the missions and how he is able to perform all of Talion exact functions and maybe a few more if you’re right about that part. I know for a fact he can easily replace as a physical entity as he already shares all his functions in terms of how his wraith works, in the same way that Talions wraith performs the domination sequences exactly as cele did before, there doesn’t seem to be any trickery involved in that, just his character model playing the animations when called upon.

    Just to further get the point across that I’m pretty sure him and talion basically share the same skeleton/body type and the two can be swapped out for each other for any animation the two perform, is that if you use eltariels skin before act 3, cele’s wraith is out of proportion on her skin but she still displays all of Talions moves in combat in place of her own but cele’s model is forced to use her set of animations and it doesn’t look right. However the other two share the same physical space and body before act 4 and his own wraith is a wrinkly see through model of the shadows of the past model, they’re each like a skin for talion in that aspect already, do you see what I’m trying to say here?

    Like I’ve said, I’ve had patience I just don’t see why it’s going to be 9 months for it when they are about 99% one in the same in terms of their character models and how one another reacts to the world around them. Nothing should need to be altered or changed around to put that model in place of Talions, even in act 4 honestly dark talion has no new animations, raise dead and ringwraith both replay the elven rage animation anyways even still, Talions wraith would just take over during those moves regardless. It’s just doesn’t seem all that difficult not even trying to be ignorant about it, I just wish they could address this at some point in time, I suppose if they are holding off on it for a character swap that’s fine! I just feel like it should be no problem for them to make him as much a skin as baranor is put over talion when HE is of a different build and body shape and was never intended for these animations, but celebrimbor was and does all of them.
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    WB Gamer
    I've explained to you why i think they are waiting. I've explained to you why its not simply lifting assets from point a to point b.
    I dont need to show you anything, all you have to do is play the game. The fact Is, the model of cele in the SotP missions is not attached to the later form of wrath move, so could never t simply be used as a "skin". And a "skin" of cele does not exist yet in the game. It would need to be "built".
    I've not said it's stupidly hard to accomplish, just that its not bish bash bosh and job done. You either still don't understand what i am saying to you, or you are stubbornly refusing to accept what is in front of you. In either case i cant do anymore for you.
    As far as we can tell so far, its simply not happening yet, imo because they consider what they are doing more important right now and it would be better to do it alongside the july changes. Which i would agree with.
    The fact is, its not a priority right now, the new dlc content is. And whether you can see logically why that may be the case or not, you simply have to accept it. Because thats the way it is.
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    WB Gamer

    Actually Celebrimbor uses a different sword fighting style, flashier then Talion's. Replay a shadow of the past mission and see.

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    WB Gamer

    I wish there was an edit button, but the way Celebrimbor swings his sword around is pretty much how he did in Shadow of Mordor's Bright Lord DLC.

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    WB Gamer
    That may be but my point still remains that he also uses all of Talions moveset with a sword on top of added animations thrown into the mix.
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    WB Gamer

    whatever the case may be for why they haven't done it yet or why they don't plan on doing it at all

     

    I HOPE that when it does come out its because there will be more to it than just a skin....maybe he will have separate armor sets like Eltariel OR even better (much less likely) we will get a small expansion similar to the bright lord dlc, or heck even just some more SotP missions where we can collect celebrimbor specific weapons and armor. its a long shot...but it would be awesome.

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    WB Gamer
    While that may be a long shot, it would indeed be awesome.
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    WB Gamer
    The new skin turns out to be Serka...
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    WB Gamer
    What you beat the game already?
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