Followers Level Up BUG?!

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    WB Gamer
    I'm extremely worried that this will never get fixed. There have been no replies for days from Jared in this thread, where at one time, he was answering fairly regularly, and most of what he was saying indicated that they are not seeing the bug on their side when they test. That's ominous stuff for me. My FAVORITE thing about this game is collecting my favorite followers in the Garrison, taking screenshots of them, etc. Not being able to deploy them and level them up, seeing them actually level up (get stronger and gain new strengths and lose old weaknesses), ruins my absolute favorite aspect of this game for me. After all, in BOTH SOM AND SOW, the entire plot is centered around one thing - Talion building an army. So this bug reaches into the heart of the game for me, and breaks it.
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    WB Gamer
    Well I sent in a ticket, hopefully the info I provided helps them out. It's strange though, one or two followers still seemed to gain some strengths, but still no weaknesses lost
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    WB Gamer
    When you submitted the bug, did you check the box near the end, to submit it as a bug? Or, did you leave that box unchecked? If you left that box unchecked, and I say this with all due respect to Monolith, there is a good chance that you're just going to get a reply suggesting that you do a hard reset.
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    Yeah not to worry, I did. I tried to give as much info as possible, including the fact that all of the orcs I tested on came from different versions/saves and the bug seemed to be indescriminate. Hopefully they find out what's going on soon :)

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    The EASIEST way to reproduce this issue is to either recruit a follower from an online conquest siege, and send them to the Garrison, OR by dominating an orc in ANY region, then sending them to the Garrison. Next, simply deploy that follower, observe their stats/traits, and then go right ahead and level them up as high as 80. There will be NO CHANGE to any of their strengths or weaknesses. If they had Shaken Master, MORTALLY Flammable, or any other Mortal Weakness, any and all, it will not matter. Keep in mind, the followers affected by this bug are any followers that have been sent to the Garrison, PRIOR to doing this process. In other words, the followers affected by this bug are GARRISON FOLLOWERS. 

     

    *******By simply viewing the YouTube video I made, of my own gameplay from my personal game, reproducing the issue in detail, all will be revealed.    EVERYBODY, PLEASE WATCH THIS!!!   Here is the link:    

     

    https://youtu.be/kK-qOrE2PQE

     

     

     

     

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    Here is the YouTube video I made, demonstrating the bug, EXACTLY how to reproduce it, in my own personal gameplay footage.


    https://youtu.be/kK-qOrE2PQE
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    Thanks Bleakwall for your time/effort to put this video together.   In your playthrough, if you hadn't moved Buth to Garrisson and instead kept him in the Army and levelled him up in whatever way you fashion, he would gain strengths and/or lose/reduce the severity of Weaknesses?     In my case, a Follower needn't spend any time in Garrisson, he is afflicted with the same problem - nobody gains strengths or loses / reduce the severity of any weaknesses during their levelling up process.   Affects all Classes (Berzerkers/Destryrs/Slayers/MM/BM/Cmdrs, etc etc), all Tribes, all levels, all status (Common/Epic/Legendary) and all types (Defender/Savage/Warrior/Olog/etc etc).    Providing TO's works as designed, so they can be manipulated that way as per usual and they can gain certain Enragements not dependent on levelling up, such as Enraged by Rival, Enraged by Cowards, Enraged by Graug/Carigor.   

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    WB Gamer
    great capture of the bug there
    so you're affected by the bug even when followers haven't touched the garrison? But they still gain certain engagements when applying TOs? Are those the level-up TOs or other trait-specific TOs?
    This bug seems to hit you a bit more personally than the rest from the sound of it. Mine is affected by garrison followers only as I noted how they will lose weaknesses and gain crucial strengths so long as they haven't touch the garrison.
    One thing I'd like to test myself when I get the chance is if followers from the garrison are shunned from the army and recruited thereafter might possibly fix the leveling issue. I forget if that has been discussed already, but if anyone has info on that could they please re-elaborate it here for me?
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    WB Gamer

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    so you're affected by the bug even when followers haven't touched the garrison?
    Ans: YES

    But they still gain certain engagements when applying TOs? Are those the level-up TOs or other trait-specific TOs?
    Ans:  To clarify, they gain NO enragements when applying TO's.  The enragements, if any, that they gain are 100% independent of any levelling up process OR providing TOs (level ones or trait specific).   
    Example 1: I recruit a level 80 Follower from a Siege who has no enragements.  I want him in my army, so I deploy to a region and once he finishes up whatever Nemesis mission the system auto-generates on him, I send him on a Nemesis mission to kill an enemy Captain who is Terrified by Curse.   I participate in the mission and deploy a Curse element on the enemy Captain, who immediately becomes terrified and retreats.   Mission ends, and my Follower has gneerated the 'Enraged by Coward' enragement.   You can easily apply ENraged by Coward to any Captain by pitting him against an enemy with the 'Terrified by' trait or who simply retreats when his health is lowered (e.g. those 'who flees', 'the weak', 'the Fearful', etc named Captains) 
    Example 2:  I have an enemy Common Defemder Slayer Captain from the Maggot FP as a level 37.   Original Traits of 4 1 5 2  ^^^3.   Give him a few death threats, eventually brand him, finish levelling him up 80 using a myriad of different levelling up activities.   Traits are identical to what he was at lvl 37.  I give my  lvl 80 Common Captain a Legendary TO and a flame weapon TO and he's now 4 2 5 5  ^^^3.    Nemesis mission has him on a Trial by Beast mission, I participate in that and he gains Enraged by Carigor and also develops Enraged by Rival enragement.  Traits are now 4352 ^^^3.     
    In both examples, the enragements they received are not related to levelling up, they can spawn on them at any time independent of levelling up.   

     

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     wrote:

    Correction, in my Example 2 the last reference of traits should read 4 3 5 5 ^^^3 

     

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    WB Gamer
    That's just the thing: We shouldn't HAVE to make our Followers turn on us, then "re-capture" them as a workaround, IF this even works. If it's a bug, it should be fixed.
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    WB Gamer
    I agree I remember back then they use to change..not anymore
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    WB Gamer
    Please be sure to report the bug at the link I provided in the opening post!
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    WB Gamer
    Awesome..I have 246 hours of gameplay I noticed that they don't improve like they use to
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    WB Gamer
    Report the bug! That's what we are all doing. The link is in my opening post. Very first post, page 1. Please hit the link and report this.
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    WB Gamer
    I did also reported command bug to give orc command they don't follow thru with it
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    WB Gamer
    They haven't followed through with it yet... But the ultimate hope is that they will see the MAJOR problem this bug is causing. When you submit a bug report, are you checking the little box that says "submit this as a bug"?
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    WB Gamer
    Yes I checked the box report as bug
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    WB Gamer
    Alright. Let's hope they see it!
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    WB Gamer
    I was very descriptive wrote detailed report on both bugs.. hopefully they see that were talking about..what's the point in pit fights and missions if there no internal benefits only number that show they are level 80.
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    WB Gamer
    Please watch my YouTube video about this bug, if you haven't already.

    https://youtu.be/kK-qOrE2PQE
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    WB Gamer
    @ bleakwail Great video..you should send them the video..just the gameplay part that what pisses me of spend some leveling them up I even try leveling them up with mission and other orc with pit fights still don't change.. definitely what I call TRAIT bug.
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    WB Gamer
    Yes it is a HORRIBLE bug, and it has been a Game-breaker for me! When I sent my last report, I included the link to my video in the report. I'm just hoping it makes a difference.
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    WB Gamer
    Yeah thanks for putting up the video. I think more people may be experiencing this bug and not even know it. I didn't realize it was happening till I noticed someone else talking about it.
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    WB Gamer
    I'm confident enough to say EVERYONE is affected by it. ...-And Monolith is saying they can't "Reproduce the bug" in other words, when they test, they're saying they don't see it. I don't know how that's possible.
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    WB Gamer
    I have uninstalled the game and deleted any file I could find having to do with this game including all saves. Reinstalled started a new game and still have the same issue
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    WB Gamer
    Be sure to report it here!!!!!

    https://middle-earthgamessupport.wbgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
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    WB Gamer

    Playing on PS4 and my orcs suffer from this. I would understand if it didn't work on orcs already gone through the game and got leveled down but it seems to be everyone on the game that get's sent to garrison. I have noticed that as soon as an orc goes to garrison they lose the abiltiy to gain any trait or lower any weakness with the exception of enraged by cowards. That's the only change I have noticed. I also find leveling up an orc using training orders never gives them new traits, abilities or lwoers weaknesses and it msut be done by actual missions.

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    WB Gamer
    This is exactly what I mean. Everyone is suffering from this bug on all platforms. AS SOON AS AN ORC GOES TO THE GARRISON, IT'S OVER. ALL STATS/TRAITS ARE LOCKED, with the exception of the two epic traits they can be given. I cannot figure out for the life of me, how Monolith can claim that they cannot reproduce this bug when they test.
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    I forgot to ask - Did you report the bug, via trouble ticket? Also, did you watch my YouTube video showing this bug? ALL MONOLITH HAS TO DO is simply test, exactly the same way I tested in my video. It doesn't matter HOW an orc gets into the Garrison, whether by recruiting an orc directly from an online Siege Mission, or from the open world, pit fight. IT IS THREE SIMPLE STEPS:

    1. Recruit an orc ANY way you want. From an online Conquest, from the open world, etc.

    2. Send the orc to the Garrison.

    3. Deploy the orc into ANY region and level them up.

    SIMPLE. THREE SIMPLE STEPS.

    Any orc, AFTER being sent to the Garrison, keeps their stats forever, after deployed. Leveling them up does nothing with the exception of gaining the two epic traits.

    If they had Mortally Flammable at level 17 when they went into the Garrison , they will have Mortally Flammable at level 80, Legendary, after they've been deployed out of the Garrison and attempted to be leveled up.

    If they had ZERO immunities when they were recruited and sent into the Garrison, they will have ZERO immunities after being deployed out of the Garrison, all the way up to level 80 Legendary.

    You are AT LEAST the 10th person I've seen affected by this across all platforms.

    I say this WITH ALL DUE RESPECT to Monolith ****This is NOT meant to be an insult!*****

    For them to claim that they have followed those 3 steps above, and are not seeing this bug on their side, is EXTREMELY difficult for me to believe. I am not calling anybody liars, directly, I am just saying that it is INEXPLICABLY difficult for me to believe, when ALL of us are affected by this bug!

    Here is the link to my YouTube video if you haven't seen it.

    https://youtu.be/kK-qOrE2PQE
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